Zoloo Posted November 26, 2006 at 04:59 PM Share Posted November 26, 2006 at 04:59 PM Le luthier anglais acguitars (qui au passage a l'air de faire de beaux instruments) a fait construire un préamp qui ressemble au niveau principe à ceux des Wal et Alembic (spécifications détaillées) Il ressemble à ça : En gros, pour chaque micro, il y a un filtre passe-bas dont la fréquence est variable, et un boost dont le niveau est variable ( comme une Wal donc, sauf que le niveau du boost est variable). donc ça, ça fait 2 doubles potars. En plus il y a un controle des aigus paramétrique : un double potar fréquence/niveau Et enfin, un double potar volume/blend Et, non négligeable, les micros sont préamplifiés séparément, et le gain ajustable à l'installation (pour des micros ayant par exemple des niveaux de sortie très différents). La relève Wal serait elle là ? Le mec contrairement à Pete vend ses préamps séparément. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Ad Posted November 26, 2006 at 05:02 PM Share Posted November 26, 2006 at 05:02 PM C'est bien, ça fait de la variété. Reste à savoir comment ça sonne. Je trouve le système Wal rigolo mais inutilisable en conditions réelles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoloo Posted November 26, 2006 at 05:46 PM Author Share Posted November 26, 2006 at 05:46 PM (edited) Bah, une fois que t'as trouvé ton ou tes sons, tu connais tes réglages, après, c'est sur que pour changer à la volée, pour s'adapter à la salle ou autre, mieux vaut modifier les réglages de ton préamp. C'est de la folie, les dernières Wal sur eBay sont parties aux alentours de 4500$ Edited November 26, 2006 at 05:46 PM by Zoloo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonio Posted November 26, 2006 at 07:28 PM Share Posted November 26, 2006 at 07:28 PM Hmmm, sympa ce truc, original effectivement. le principe me plait ! J'ai jamais eu le temps de tester en profondeur une Wal. Tonio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted November 26, 2006 at 11:11 PM Share Posted November 26, 2006 at 11:11 PM En gros, pour chaque micro, il y a un filtre passe-bas dont la fréquence est variable, et un boost dont le niveau est variable ( comme une Wal donc, sauf que le niveau du boost est variable). donc ça, ça fait 2 doubles potars. Ne pas oublier qu'il y a des potars internes pour régler pas mal de choses sur les Wal Sinon ce préamp est pleinement exploitable... si un tris et des presets sont fait avant de l'utiliser dans n'importe quel conditions. Alembic fait des choses bien plus complexe a mon goût et personne ne s'en plaint Et surtout les résultats obtenu ne peuvent l'être avec un préamp 3 bandes ! Par contre pour être sincère, le préamp proposé est très ( trop ) proche de celui de Wal. Je ne connais pas les fréquences d'action sur mon préamp mais le principe est très très proche. J'espère qu'ils l'ont pas sorti a cause de la prod actuelle de Pete... Y a des procès et des coups de pieds au cul qui se perdent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoloo Posted November 27, 2006 at 07:49 AM Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 at 07:49 AM Sur un forum anglophone (the dudepit pour ne pas le nommer), le mec d'acguitars dit clairement que c'est inspiré des Wal, le problème c'est que Pete ne vend pas ses préamps séparemment j'imagine que c'est pour ça qu'il a demander à John East d'en faire une copie en gros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre-Antoine Roiron Posted November 27, 2006 at 09:06 AM Share Posted November 27, 2006 at 09:06 AM Intéressant... mais effectivement pas forcément facile à ajuster à la volée en live. Il suffit peut-être d'un peu d'entrainement remarque.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zered Posted November 27, 2006 at 11:17 AM Share Posted November 27, 2006 at 11:17 AM Ben merde Déjà que je trouve mon U-retro trop compliqué... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuf Posted November 27, 2006 at 06:45 PM Share Posted November 27, 2006 at 06:45 PM mouarf, le U retro est pas si dur d'utilisation ;) Faut s'y faire, c'tout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFPK Posted November 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM Share Posted November 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM Pas évident de modifier à la volée au milieu d'un set ça...Pour modeler son son ça doit être bien (enfin sur le papier ça a l'air), mais fortement déconseillé pour mon type de réglage : je ne connais que 3 positions pour chaque potard : "à fond" "midi" "cut" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoloo Posted November 27, 2006 at 08:16 PM Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 at 08:16 PM (edited) C'est quand même moins l'usine à gaz que ça : Edited November 27, 2006 at 08:17 PM by Zoloo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linn134 Posted November 28, 2006 at 12:05 AM Share Posted November 28, 2006 at 12:05 AM FLAG ... je vais lire ce qu'ils racontent. On ne sait jamais. Mais je reste dubitatif relativement au filtre : mon paramétrique fait ça trés bien et sur 10 bandes. M'enfin, sait-on jamais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelf Posted April 11, 2007 at 04:58 PM Share Posted April 11, 2007 at 04:58 PM Hi I am Alan from AC Guitars. I feel that I should point out that the pre-amp I developed in conjunction with John East is in no way a copy of the Wal/Alembic pre-amp nor was it ever intended to be. This pre-amp was developed from the ground up and not as a copy. It use's several features which are not available with the Wal system. The variable gain on the overshoot peak and the inclusion of a global treble control. While the pre-amp is capable of Wal type tones it is also capable of a great deal more. At the following link you can find some user comments about the pre-amp. ACG pre-amp comments Sorry for not being able to respond in French. Best regards Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNkY_DrUmMeR Posted April 11, 2007 at 05:38 PM Share Posted April 11, 2007 at 05:38 PM Lien vers les soundclips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelf Posted April 11, 2007 at 08:13 PM Share Posted April 11, 2007 at 08:13 PM Many thanks Gourgou I appreciate you helping out with the small language problem. I used a translation page to read through the thread which was quite funny but I got the general idea of what was being said and felt I had to respond. I have met Pete at Wal and have a great deal of respect for him and would not set out to steal his pre-amp. I can also assure you that had that been my intention John East would not have taken part in the project. The only part of the pre-amp which is similar to the Wal is the fact that it use's a low pass filter (my pre-amp also use's a high pass filter) beyond that the similarity ends. Again many thanks for the help if I can at any point reciprocate let me know. Regards Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre-Antoine Roiron Posted April 12, 2007 at 10:03 AM Share Posted April 12, 2007 at 10:03 AM Thanks for the comments Alan. I use John products too. Good luck with that new pre-amp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelf Posted April 12, 2007 at 06:06 PM Share Posted April 12, 2007 at 06:06 PM Pierre Not only are John's pre-amps excellent he is great to work with a really nice guy. I had a look at your site excellent work. It is a great pity that it is difficult to find much information on French builders I am only aware of a few. Is there anywhere I could find a list of builders. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pehennji Posted April 12, 2007 at 08:09 PM Share Posted April 12, 2007 at 08:09 PM Les soundclips sont ?tonnants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelf Posted April 12, 2007 at 09:22 PM Share Posted April 12, 2007 at 09:22 PM The clips give you an idea of what is possible but in no way cover all that the pre-amp is capable of. I am trying to get some more clips together but I am having little success. My own playing I feel is not really up to the task. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn Posted April 12, 2007 at 10:17 PM Share Posted April 12, 2007 at 10:17 PM Vraiment impressionant , je me demande ce que ?a peut donner sur une basse de serie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre-Antoine Roiron Posted April 13, 2007 at 07:34 AM Share Posted April 13, 2007 at 07:34 AM Skelf, you'll find a major part of the french builders here (french website, sorry) : luthier's directory Thanks for the nice comments about my website. I'm not a long time builder, and I'm very busy with all the repairs at the shop.... time goes by not so slowly. I've listened to the soundclips, and they are quite impressive. Nice work! Maybe I'll test one on one of my bass. I like your Skelf shape, nice work again. Bye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skelf Posted April 13, 2007 at 07:48 PM Share Posted April 13, 2007 at 07:48 PM Thank you for the link I will have a look through the site. If there is anything I can help you with please feel free to get in touch. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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