Pol Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:25 PM Share Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:25 PM J'avais pioché dans son mémoire pour faire un petit exposé en licence pour l'UE "science et musique". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djooh Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:28 PM Share Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:28 PM Super merci beaucoup Mathias D'ailleurs, toi qui a déjà fait de la cover du groupe, tu procède comment ? C'est du par cœur ou tu comprend les cycles ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatAVerySadStory Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:37 PM Share Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:37 PM J'arrive à comprendre assez rapidement le truc. Les riffs ne sont pas forcément techniques, c'est la polyrythmie qui donne cette impression de difficulté à "s'accrocher" aux repères habituels. Le mec l'explique mieux que moi dans son mémoire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob volte Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:51 PM Share Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:51 PM (edited) ça devient marrant quand les membres du groupe en parlent eux-même : on voit que chacun a sa propre approche. Je crois avoir posté les vidéos dans lesquelles j'avais vu ça. Edit : si oui, en page 7, post 134 OU 135 (voire même le 133 d'un autre obiste) Edited September 8, 2016 at 05:52 PM by bob volte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatAVerySadStory Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:51 PM Share Posted September 8, 2016 at 05:51 PM Un bon exemple pour moi, le morceau pitch black : riff très simple à tenir hors du temps sur batterie en polyrythmie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob volte Posted September 8, 2016 at 06:10 PM Share Posted September 8, 2016 at 06:10 PM (edited) @djooh : je repère une séquence qui se répète (leitmotiv) voit comment ça se boucle (s'il est joué 3 fois, ou 4 fois et demi, ou 7 fois + un fill) dans la structure/cycle, et pour sentir le groove je choisi la pulse de la batterie (d'ailleurs thomas met souvent des repères réguliers au charley ou avec une cymbale, par mesure ou groupe de mesures, cycles). J'ai retenu qu'un des grateux calait sa pulse sur ses parties propres (leitmotivs, riff ou cycle) intéressant, chacun son truc. D'ailleurs jouer un même truc sur des pulses différentes c'est surprenant, ça vaut le détour. (J'entends pulse par le repère rythmique le plus profond, intérieur, sur lequel je ressens et pose mon jeu : genre ce qu'on tape du pied avant même de commencer à jouer, le truc sur lequel on danse ou bougeons la tête en écoute etc). Expérience amusante : jouer ou chanter un petit truc perso sur un 12/8 (2 mesures c'est bien) en calant sa pulse d'abords sur 4 temps (groupes de 3 croches). Quand on le sent bien (l'effet sera plus probant) on la change : cette fois on découpe la mesure en 3 temps (groupes de 4 croches), enfin on passera à 2 temps (groupes de 6 croches). sensations garanties. Autres exemples en lien : pulse sur 2 et 4 en 4/4, pulse sur claves... (ya pas mieux que jouer pour montrer donc par avance désolé pour les mots que j'aurai choisis, les miens. Enfin, au final faisons comme Meshuggah, faut que ça sonne) Edited September 9, 2016 at 09:10 AM by bob volte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob volte Posted September 16, 2016 at 09:49 AM Share Posted September 16, 2016 at 09:49 AM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pol Posted September 22, 2016 at 05:39 PM Share Posted September 22, 2016 at 05:39 PM Dick est passé chez Zon apparemment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEB54 Posted September 22, 2016 at 07:11 PM Share Posted September 22, 2016 at 07:11 PM C'est pas dit. Y'a beaucoup de zikos qui enregistrent avec des instruments différents de ce qu'ils jouent en live. Mais je me suis fait la même remarque en voyant la vidéo y'a 10 minutes ("tient il est sur Zon"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djooh Posted September 22, 2016 at 07:26 PM Share Posted September 22, 2016 at 07:26 PM C'est effectivement souvent le cas, Marcus Miller et d'autres jouent sur des instrus différent de leur endorsement en studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pol Posted September 29, 2016 at 04:56 PM Share Posted September 29, 2016 at 04:56 PM Ils changent un peu leurs habitudes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatAVerySadStory Posted October 7, 2016 at 04:48 AM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 04:48 AM C'est le grand jour les gars ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilvince Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:27 AM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:27 AM Ouiche ! Uhuhuh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze bass Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:35 AM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:35 AM Devinez ce qu'il y a sur mon iPhone depuis ce matin ? Mais je n'écouterai ça que dimanche (comme le dernier Opeth), on a un concert avec Floyd Side samedi et j'ai peur que ça pollue un peu ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schonx Posted October 7, 2016 at 07:16 AM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 07:16 AM Raaah, l'avantage d'avoir un p....n d'iPhone !!! J'attends patiemment l'arrivée de mon colis... D'ici une p'tite heure . Bonne journée à vous!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEB54 Posted October 7, 2016 at 09:23 AM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 09:23 AM Il est sur Deezer : http://www.deezer.com/album/14208046 ! A la première écoute, j'accroche beaucoup. Je retrouve un petit coté old school au niveau des compos qui n'est pas pour me déplaire. Le son est aussi moins froid et clinique que sur les derniers albums je trouve. Je le remets pour la peine ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob volte Posted October 7, 2016 at 12:30 PM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 12:30 PM track #8 "nostrum" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted October 7, 2016 at 12:31 PM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 12:31 PM Je suis dessus depuis ce matin, et moi aussi j'aime beaucoup pour l'instant ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebrouxxx Posted October 7, 2016 at 03:46 PM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 03:46 PM ...je n'écouterai ça que dimanche (comme le dernier Opeth)... Meshuggah, je ne sais pas. Mais le dernier Opeth m'a mis une bonne claque. Après j'apprécie plutôt le 'virage' des deux derniers albums, alors... Bonne écoute! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef B Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:23 PM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:23 PM Le dernier Opeth est très bon c'est clair (enfin à mes oreilles...), pour Meshuggah, le chant j'ai du mal mais je l'écouterai. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schonx Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:41 PM Share Posted October 7, 2016 at 05:41 PM Superbe album !!! Le premier titre bien démoniaque en images : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob volte Posted October 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM Share Posted October 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM (edited) (wahou ce clip) ► Une courte itw instructive -en anglais- ici : Meshuggah's track-by-track guide to The Violent Sleep of Reason : Tomas Haake's in-depth guide to the new Meshuggah album The Violent Sleep of Reason ! Swedish tech-metal pioneers Meshuggah will release their eighth album, The Violent Sleep Of Reason, on October 7, through Nuclear Blast Records. Anticipation for new Meshuggah material always high, and this time around they have, according to drummer and lyricist Tomas Haake, recorded the album live to give it a rawer and more spontaneous edge. Here Tomas talks us through what is sure to be one of 2016’s biggest events in heavy music. 01-Clockworks“It’s one of the songs on the album that isn’t about current events, although it kind of ties in with a lot of that stuff. Tricky one to play, not just for the drums but the guitars as well. It’s one of the most challenging things we’ve written in some time. Lyrically it’s about looking into yourself, as if your mind was a clock of sorts, and you want to change the way you think and act and react to the things going on around you. So it’s seen as a piece of a clock that you take out in your mind, disassemble all the little cogs and wheels in your mind, and put them back together to make sense of yourself.”02-Born In Dissonance“This is one of Marten’s (Hagstrom, guitar). For every album he tries to kind of write song that is old school thrash in its approach. That’s kind of where we come from, but it’s hard to do that in our music. But this is his version of old school thrash in 2016. This song kind of ties in with the religious and political themes of the album, but religion is portrayed as a monster that’s coming from beyond time and space for Earth. And that could be an asteroid; there are lyric lines like ‘You can see us coming for a thousand years’ because we have telescopes now that could see asteroids coming thousands of years in advance. But it’s my metaphorical take on the idea of the apocalypse. This monster could be seen by many as a deity coming back to destroy what it created.”03-MonstroCity“It’s another one that focuses more on religion, and for this one I was visualising a city that is run by these skewed ideas of scripture and writings. Again, the fear that I have for that and the dislike I have for that in the world is very prevalent.”04-By The Ton“Written by me and Fredrik (Thorndale, guitar), it’s one of the two really heavy ones on the album. It's very different tonally. It’s one of those things that I’d never heard us or any other band do before. In a sense it’s almost like twelve tone music – there are no rules – so it’s quite different. It’s seen through the idea that, if armed conflict was a person, it would say this if it was talking to you. It turns war into a person.”05-Violent Sleep Of Reason“It’s a tricky one for people to hear immediately as there’s no backbeat. So when you play it to people they are initially like ‘What?’ but it turned out really cool. We’ve never really been big on title tracks, and you often think that if you do a title track then it has to be the most accessible, but this really isn’t. It's about current events; human catastrophes that have intensified over the last few years. I mean, the situation has been going on in the Middle East for some time now. You have all these refugees who are trying to save their own lives, and you see countries shutting their borders to them. How do you deal with that on a political and economic level? I’m not sure, but this is about the humanitarian treason that I see in those situations.”06-Ivory Tower“Marten wrote this one – he has one foot in stoner and one foot in metal – and that stoner aspect is something we try and have in every album. It’s been there for the last few albums, a nod to the more sludgy things. We decided to do this song without a click track to make everyone’s natural pacing come out. We tried lots of different tempos, and we finally decided on this one, but if you listen you can hear that it starts at a certain number of beats per minute and by the end it’s changed completely.”07-Stifled“Lyrically this is a take on dictatorships, or too much power being given to one person and the abuse of that power. I think we’ve seen it time and time again over the years, with horrendous results. People with total control and power leading to the deaths of hundreds and millions of people, and this song is simply about wanting to take that person and put them in the ground.”08-Nostrum“It's one of those tracks that comes from drums and then you add riffs. Nostrum is another word for a placebo, a drug that has no actual effect, and that ties into religion, and how it is still the opiate for the masses. The hypnosis of these people, which is so far in the opposite direction of what normal, modern thinking people feel.”09-Our Rage Won’t Die“A little more old school sounding, a little more thrash metal sounding in a sense. Lyrically it’s about the conundrum of retaliation. I saw one of those reality shows on television, a court room thing, where this family had lost both of their daughters after they had been killed by this guy. And you saw in the father this real desire to kill him, but at the same time the way he functioned as a person was as an all-forgiving personality. You could see how it was tearing him apart. So this is my take on that, and that’s something that’s weird for me. I’ve never had anything happen to me like that, but you have to ponder what your reaction would be. Would you hunt them or would you turn the other cheek?”10-Into Decay“Another one from me and Marten, which starts off extremely sludgy. It’s an Orange amp on total distortion – I really dig how it came out. It’s inspired by current events. I went to a pub and there were four guys sat opposite me and they were all looking down at their phones. One guy started saying something to another one and he wouldn’t look up, he just said ‘Yeah, yeah, Facebook it to me.’ Didn’t even wanna hear him talk. It’s about the dissociation that we are going through in this time. With the evolution of this, where are we going to be in ten years?” >link : http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-10-03/meshuggahs-track-by-track-guide-to-the-violent-sleep-of-reason Edited October 11, 2016 at 12:07 PM by bob volte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEB54 Posted October 8, 2016 at 02:39 PM Share Posted October 8, 2016 at 02:39 PM Autant je suis plus mitigé par le dernier Opeth (fan des premiers albums...), autant le dernier Meshuggah c'est toujours du tout bon après plusieurs écoutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebrouxxx Posted October 8, 2016 at 03:51 PM Share Posted October 8, 2016 at 03:51 PM Autant je suis plus mitigé par le dernier Opeth (fan des premiers albums...), Ceci semblant expliqué cela... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totorbass Posted October 8, 2016 at 06:39 PM Share Posted October 8, 2016 at 06:39 PM ça a pas l'air mal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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