Uziel Posted May 6, 2007 at 04:02 PM Share Posted May 6, 2007 at 04:02 PM bon, j'essaie de resumer ceux qui sont conseillàs sur les differents topics : (ceux qui les ont deja essayé, pouvez vous laissez vos opinions ?) Dossier Audiofanzine : Les microphones I Les microphones II Les microphones III Les microphones IV AKG D 112 "- Large-diaphragm dynamic microphone for bass instruments - Extremely high SPL capability - Classic microphone for stage and studio applications The D 112 has earned a well-deserved reputation worldwide as the best kick drum microphone ever made. Heavy-footed drummers won?t faze it, because the D 112 handles up to 160 dB SPL with no audible distortion. A specially engineered diaphragm with a very low resonance frequency maintains solid and powerful response below 100 Hz, while a narrow band presence rise at 4 kHz punches through dense mixes with little or no added EQ. The result is a kick drum sound that ideally balances precise definition and forceful impact. The D 112 is also an excellent choice for use with bass cabinets, trombones, etc. Built in windscreen, SA 60 stand adapter included." Polar pattern : cardioid Frequency range : 20 to 17,000 Hz Sensitivity : 1,8 mV/Pa (-75 dBV) Max. SPL : outside measurement range Equivalent noise level : 73 dB -A Impedance : 210 ohms Recommended load impedance : >=600 ohms Connector : 3-pin XLR Finish : dark gray metallic enamel Dimensions : 150 x 70 x 115 mm / 5.9 x 2.8 x 4.5 in. Net weight : 380 g / 13.4 oz. Shipping weight : 990 g / 2.2 lbs. Beyer M 88 TG "Some products are born classics and the M 88 has to take centre-stage for being far ahead of its time when it was first introduced in the 1960?s. Incorporating a new low-mass diaphragm element, the M 88 TG has earned its place in history in the Kick Drum. Sound engineers have found that the lightening-fast response of the microphones reproduces the complex sound patterns of this instrument resulting in the tight ?thump? without the need for complex signal processing. This characteristic works equally well on other instruments especially where intricate low frequencies and their harmonics need to be captured. The M 88 TG is one of the most frequently specified microphones by sound engineers worldwide and heralded a beyerdynamic contemporary classic as this microphone becomes renown for capturing emotive audio signals. -Extended frequency range with rising high end and exceptional bass reproduction -High volume-before-feedback -Integrated hum-buck coil -High SPL handling capability -Rugged construction -Supplied with microphone clamp and storage bag" Transducer type : Dynamic Operating principle : Pressure gradient Frequency response (close miking) : 30 - 20,000 Hz Polar pattern Hypercardioid Side attenuation : > 23 dB at 120? Open circuit voltage at 1 kHz (0dB = 1V/Pa) : 2.9 mV/Pa ? -30.7 dBV Magnetic field suspension : >20 dB ? 50 Hz Nominal impedance : 200 ? Diaphragm : Hostaphan? Case/finish : Brass Connector : 3-pin XLR Length : 181 mm Shaft diameter : 25.5 mm Head diameter : 48.5 mm Weight without cable : 320 g Sennheiser e902 "The cardioid e902 is a dynamic instrument microphone especially designed for deep bass frequency instruments such as kick drums, bass guitar amps and tuba. Faithfully reproducing the lowest frequencies and handling the highest SPLs, the e902 is your bottom end's best friend. - Frequency response optimized for kick drum - Very fast attack - Integrated stand mount - Hum compensating coil - Shock-mounted capsule - Robust metal body" Pick Up Pattern : Cardioid Frequency Response : 20 - 18,000 Hz Sensitivity : 0.2 mV / Pa (at 1kHz) / 0.6mV (at 60kHz) Nominal Impedance : 350 ohm Min Terminating Impedance : 1000 ohm Dimensions : 2.3'' x 5.05'' Weight approx. : 440g Transducer Principle : dynamic Connector : XLR, gold-plated Sennheiser e602II "The e 602 II is a cardioid instrument microphone especially suitable for use with bass drums, bass guitar cabs, tubas and other low frequency instruments. Rugged, lightweight aluminium body for stable positioning on long microphone boom arms - Lightweight high-performance voice coil construction - Fast transient response - Low frequency extension - Ideal for direct use on the most problematic bass signal - Frequency-independent directivity provides isolation from other on-stage signals - Humbucking coil - Integral stand mount" Pick Up Pattern : Cardioid Frequency Response : 20 - 16,000 Hz Sensitivity : 0,25 mV/Pa; @ 50 Hz 0,9 mV/Pa Nominal Impedance : 350 Ohm Dimensions : 60 x 153 mm Weight : 320 g Sennheiser MD421II "The MD421 II continues the tradition of the MD 421 which has been one of Sennheiser's most popular dynamic mics for over 35 years. The large diaphragm, dynamic element handles high sound pressure levels, making it a natural for recording guitars and drums. The MD 421's full-bodied cardioid pattern, and five-position bass control make it an excellent choice for most instruments, as well as group vocals, or radio broadcast announcers. One listen and you'll know why it's a classic." Pick Up Pattern : Cardioid Frequency Response : 30 - 17,000 Hz Sensitivity : 2 mV/Pa +/- 3 dB Nominal Impedance : 200 ohms Min Terminating Impedance : 200 ohms Dimensions : 8.375" x 1.875" x 2" Weight : Approx. 14 oz (385 g) Shure Beta 52A "The Shure Beta 52?A is a high output dynamic microphone with a tailored frequency response designed specifically for kick drums and other bass instruments. It provides superb attack and "punch", and delivers studio quality sound even at extremely high sound pressure levels. The Beta 52A features a modified supercardioid pattern throughout its frequency range to insure high gain-before-feedback and excellent rejection of unwanted sound. A built??“in dynamic locking stand adapter with an integral XLR connector simplifies installation, particularly if the microphone is to be placed inside a kick drum. The stand adapter keeps the microphone position fixed and resists slipping, even when subjected to sharp blows and strong vibrations. A hardened steel mesh grille protects the Beta 52A from the abuse and wear associated with touring. - Frequency response shaped specifically for kick drums and bass instruments - Built-in dynamic locking stand adapter with integral XLR connector simplifies setup, especially inside a kick drum - Studio quality performance, even at extremely high sound pressure levels - Supercardioid pattern for high gain before feedback and superior rejection of unwanted noise - Hardened steel mesh grille that resists wear and abuse - Advanced pneumatic shock mount system that minimizes transmission of mechanical noise and vibration - Neodymium magnet for high signal-to-noise ratio output - Low sensitivity to varying load impedance - Legendary Shure quality and reliability." Type : Dynamic (moving coil) Frequency Response : 20 to 10,000 Hz Polar Pattern : Supercardioid, rotationally symmetrical about microphone axis Output Level (at 1,000 Hz) : Open Circuit Voltage: -64 dBV/Pa* (0.6 mV)*1 Pa = 94 dB SPL Impedance : Rated impedance is 150 ohms (45 ohms actual) for connection to microphone inputs rated low Z Phasin : Positive pressure on diaphragm produces positive voltage on pin 2 with respect to pin 3 Maximum SPL : 174 dB at 1000 Hz (calculated) Connector : Three-pin professional audio connector (male XLR type) Case : Silver blue enamel-painted die cast metal with hardened, matte-finished steel grille Adjustable, Locking Stand Adapter : Integral, dynamic locking, adjustable through 180 degrees, with standard 5/8"-27 thread Net Weight : 605 grams (21.6 oz) Shure PG52 "A high-performance Cardioid Dynamic Kick Drum microphone tuned to capture low-end punch. The PG52-XLR includes an Integrated Stand Mount, 15ft (4.57m) XLR to XLR Cable, 5/8" to 3/8" Thread Adapter, and a Storage Bag. - Tailored frequency response is smooth and extended. Tuned specifically for kick drum applications. - Cardioid polar pattern picks up the most sound from in front of the microphone and some sound from the sides. Less susceptible to feedback in high volume settings. - Dynamic cartridge has a simple, rugged coil. Handles extreme volume levels without distortion. - Cartridge includes a neodymium magnet for high output level. - Internal shock mount for reduced handling noise. - Durable metal construction. - Integral stand mount. - Hardened steel mesh tapered grille that resists wear and abuse. - Includes 15ft (4.57m) cable and storage bag. " Microphone Type : Dynamic (moving coil) Polar Pattern : Cardioid (unidirectional) Frequency Response : 30 to 13,000 Hz Polarity : Positive pressure on diaphragm produces positive voltage on pin 2 relative to pin 3 of microphone output connector Output Impedance (at 1000 Hz) : 300 ohms Sensitivity (at 1000 Hz) : -55 dBV/Pa, (1.8 mV), 1 Pascal=94 dB SPL Electromagnetic Hum Sensitivity : 25 dB equivalent SPL in a 1 millioersted field (60 Hz) Connector : Three-pin professional audio connector (male XLR type) Case : Die cast metal housing, black matte finish; hardened silver colored, tapered steel mesh grille; built-in locking stand adapter Environmental Conditions : This microphone operates over a temperature range of -29 to 57 degrees Celsius (-20 to 135 degrees Fahrenheit), and at a relative humidity of 0 to 95%. Weight : Net: 470 g (16.8 oz) Packaged: 1053 g (2 lbs 5 oz) Shure SM57 "The legendary Shure SM57 microphone is exceptional for musical instrument pickup and vocals. With its bright, clean sound and contoured frequency response, the SM57 is ideal for live sound reinforcement and recording. It has an extremely effective cardioid pickup pattern which isolates the main sound source while minimizing background noise. In the studio, it is excellent for recording drums, guitar, and woodwinds. The SM57?s outstanding performance, legendary reliability, and diversity of application make this "workhorse" the choice of performers, producers, and sound engineers worldwide. - Contoured frequency response for clean, instrumental reproduction and rich vocal pickup - Professional-quality reproduction for drum, percussion, and instrument amplifier miking - Uniform cardioid pickup pattern isolates the main sound source while reducing background noise - Pneumatic shock-mount system cuts down handling noise - Extremely durable under the heaviest use - Frequency response: 40 to 15,000 Hz - Replacement cartridge: R57" Type : Dynamic Frequency Response : 40 to 15,000 Hz Polar Pattern : Unidirectional (cardioid), rotationally symmetrical about microphone axis, uniform with frequency. Sensitivity (at 1,000 Hz) : Open Circuit Voltage: -56.0 dBV/Pa* (1.6 mV) *(1 Pa = 94 dB SPL) Impedance : Rated impedance is 150 ohms (310 ohms actual) for connection to microphone inputs rated low impedance. Polarity : Positive pressure on diaphragm produces positive voltage on pin 2 with respect to pin 3. Connector : Three-pin professional audio connector (male XLR type). Case : Dark gray, enamel-painted, die-cast steel with a polycarbonate grille and a stainless steel screen. Dimensions : See User Guide. Net Weight (without cable) : 284 grams (10 oz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Posted May 6, 2007 at 07:04 PM Share Posted May 6, 2007 at 07:04 PM (edited) Regarde aussi chez Thomann : la guerre des clones ? commenc? depuis un bail. Des micros vraiment bons, pas des p?les copies. Le T-Bone BD300 ? 55 ? est excellent (clone d'un D112 ? ... 160 ?). Edited May 6, 2007 at 07:07 PM by Deep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uziel Posted May 7, 2007 at 05:53 PM Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 at 05:53 PM personne pour contribuer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trip fontaine Posted May 8, 2007 at 01:44 PM Share Posted May 8, 2007 at 01:44 PM Salut, j'ai essayé certains micros. Ceux que tu cites sont des micros grosses caisses tout ? fait utilisables. Ils auront plutôt tendance ? favoriser les basses. Perso je préféres, pour la basse, des micros plus polyvalents et en particulier le Beyer M88. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylens Posted May 8, 2007 at 02:02 PM Share Posted May 8, 2007 at 02:02 PM beyer M88, ?a d?chire, je confirme, j'en ai chop? un ? 180 euros sur ebay, mais c'était un cadeau... quand je peux j'en rechope un. je l'ai utilis? sur une guitare acoustique aussi, son très beau combin? ? un Schoeps pour choper le côté cristallin. Beyer M380 c'est le top pour moi (je l'ai déja dit 20 fois, je radote, je m'en fous) Sennheiser MD421, y en a qui aiment sur la basse aussi... ? voir mais vraiment, je vois une grosse diff?rence entre mic pour repiquage pour du live et pour du studio. j'ai eu mon son en studio avec un Schoeps + un Lomo, mais j'ai pas de basses sur mon son... c'est au cas par cas. couplà au DI de la Fafner le D112 est parfait pour mon usage home studio bon par contre, Uz, tu m'en voudras pas, mais je vais combiner ce sujet sous peu et sinon par simple curiosit?, tu veux 2 frigos, 2 amplis 1200W et en + te faire repiquer ou c'est pour du studio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted May 9, 2007 at 10:26 PM Share Posted May 9, 2007 at 10:26 PM Pour du studio je n'utilise aucun des micros que tu as cit?s, mais une combinaison d'un bon vieux sm57 collà a 1 cm de la grille du baffle, un statique (Rode NT1ou NT3) ? 2 mêtres dans la pi?ce, et la DI de ma tête. Pour du live, la même chose mais sans le statique. sm57 powaaa ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uziel Posted May 10, 2007 at 07:23 AM Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 at 07:23 AM combine mon petit, combine ! comme je l'ai dis j'essaie juste de regrouper en haut de page tout les differents micros cit?... et oui, je veux me faire repiquer ;) mais ma config' x2 ca se fera pas, ca fais un peu trop quand meme ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trip fontaine Posted May 11, 2007 at 07:35 AM Share Posted May 11, 2007 at 07:35 AM Le sm57 ?a peut bien le faire aussi (pour un prix plus que raisonnable). Perso je l'utilise avec un peu d'angle et point? vers l'ext?rieur du HP pour att?nuer son côté nasillard. Je serai curieux d'essayer l'Audix I5, dont j'ai entendu les plus grand bien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uziel Posted May 18, 2007 at 06:51 PM Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 at 06:51 PM j'ai un pote qui bosse en studio (qui n'est d'autre que le guitariste de mon ex groupe Furia) qui m'as parlà du Neumann TLM 103 pour repiquer la basse... mais alors le budget en prend un coup ! sinon comparaison vite fait entre le beta52 et le e902 : le beta52 est plus creus? avec peut etre plus de presence des les basses, et le e902 est plus present dans les bas med Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hervefeelip Posted May 18, 2007 at 07:00 PM Share Posted May 18, 2007 at 07:00 PM Très bonne idée, ce topic. Juste une chtite remarque : ce serait cool d'avoir une indication des prix, histoire de pouvoir comparer ce qui est comparable (quoique prix ne rime pas toujours avec qualit?, enfin le plus souvent, oui). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombseb Posted June 29, 2007 at 02:10 PM Share Posted June 29, 2007 at 02:10 PM Ah ouais cool ! je m'était un peu interressé au sujet, mais j'ai peur d'acheter un micro et de ne rien en tirer de potable du coup je me branche toujours en direct dans la table avec ma bass driver DI le résultat est super, mais j'ai quand même voulu essayer avec un micro Peavey acheté 50€ (un peu l'équivalent d'un SM58) mais j'ai pas trouvé ca terrible Le T-Bone BD300 à 55 € est excellent (clone d'un D112 à ... 160 €). quelqu'un l'a essayé ce T-Bone ? vous savez si c'est possible de louer un micro dans un magasin de musique juste pour tester ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcimore Posted June 29, 2007 at 02:54 PM Share Posted June 29, 2007 at 02:54 PM (edited) regarde aussi du côté des magasins de location de matériel de sono qui généralement louent des micsregarde aussi du côté des magasins de location de matériel de sono qui généralement louent des micsdu style http://www.soundlightmusic.com/loc_micasq.php par contre je n'en ai pas trouvé qui soit proche de DTC Edited June 29, 2007 at 02:58 PM by garcimore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombseb Posted June 29, 2007 at 03:17 PM Share Posted June 29, 2007 at 03:17 PM héhéhéhé non mais je demanderais à l'occaze au magasin de zik a coté de chez moi peut etre qu'ils louent aussi du matos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Hazaraï Posted June 29, 2007 at 03:53 PM Share Posted June 29, 2007 at 03:53 PM faut vraiment que je me décide à mettre une annonce pour mon D112... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombseb Posted June 29, 2007 at 04:16 PM Share Posted June 29, 2007 at 04:16 PM tu le vends combien ton D112 ? si c'est pas trop indiscret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Hazaraï Posted June 29, 2007 at 04:31 PM Share Posted June 29, 2007 at 04:31 PM bon l'argus est dans les 140€ sur AF, on va dire 130€ pour les onlybassiens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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