Matt Preacherz Posted January 5, 2006 at 09:03 PM Share Posted January 5, 2006 at 09:03 PM Salut à tous. Voici ce que j'ai pu trouver par hasard sur le site du modificateur de pédale des stars (Vai, etc...), à savoir ROBERT KEELEY. je trouve son analyse très interessante..... http://www.robertkeeley.com/home.php EFFECT PEDAL ORDER AND PLACEMENT A: Yes and no. There are some guidelines that can be followed to make sure odd things don't happen. There have been times when a compressor after a delay pedal or reverb unit has caused some bad effects, there have been brilliant moves to place effects in certain orders that break most rules, but below is a guideline I came up with and was published in Musician's Hotline Magazine. Nice things is it gives you a way, a phrase to memorize so that when you're on the road, you can get it right if you pick up a new effect. Placing effects in a logical order will help! This list of effects order is just a general guideline. Some of the best and most unique guitar tones have been created by breaking the rules! You guys need a head start at good tone right?! A way to make life easy right?! I came up with a little phrase to help remember the order because even I forget. Ask yourself this when you wonder about effects order or placement: Which Chain Of Effect Pedals Makes Life Easy? All you have to do is remember this phase and which letter corresponds to which type of effect. Wah -> Which, Compressor -> Chain, Overdrive -> Of, EQ -> Effect, Pitch -> Pedals, Modulation -> Make, Level -> Life, Echo -> Easy. I like to see wah pedals and sometimes even phasers as the first effect after the guitar. We’ll call these Wah effects (yes even the phaser). Wah pedals boost a frequency you sweep to with your foot and phasers cut or notch a frequency that is swept to electronically. Distortion pedals make interesting response changes to the boost or cut from these sweep pedals. Compressors typically go next although I like them after distortion pedals in many cases if the compressor is clean and transparent enough. Compression after distortion has two effects that I really like. First, the noise floor is lower because the noise from a compressor isn’t being amplified and distorted by the overdrive pedal. Second, there appears to be more sustain. There is one draw back that some people notice and that is a darker, warmer tone. Some folks might prefer a more conventional, brighter tone. Next comes Overdrive or distortion. Equalizer pedals can go next. They are commonly used for a boost pedal if they can be turned on and off, or used to shape the tone of the distortion pedal. Pitch changing pedals, Vibrato for example; go next for the simple reason that many distortion pedals can’t handle the many pitches at one time. Try strumming a complex chord with your distortion pedal on, say a C7#9#11. Modulation effects go next such as chorus and flanging go next. Level pedals that control the volume go next in many cases. This would include tremolo, volume pedals (great at this point in the effects chain because it cuts all the hiss going to your amp), noise gates and limiters. Since compression is a limiter in many cases and this is why it works post-distortion by the way. Echo effects go last. These include delay and reverb. A sample effects board might contain these effects: Guitar -> Wah, Compressor, Overdrive, EQ, Vibrato, Chorus, Tremolo, Volume Pedal, and Delay-> Amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE_Gui Posted January 5, 2006 at 11:50 PM Share Posted January 5, 2006 at 11:50 PM Intéressant Mais à la limite, ça s'applique au placement général des effets, pas au placement d'effets dans une boucle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylens Posted January 6, 2006 at 05:48 PM Share Posted January 6, 2006 at 05:48 PM Some of the best and most unique guitar tones have been created by breaking the rules! hé bé ça fait du bien de voir un mec ultra calé dire ça, comme quoi c'est pas les plus balèzes qui ont l'esprit étroit. par ex, un tremolo bien hard après la reverb, ça fait quelque chose de bien space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkcrk Posted January 6, 2006 at 06:58 PM Share Posted January 6, 2006 at 06:58 PM Oui, ou une EQ avant une disto (demandez à BassTyra), ou un compresseur après une disto ou .... ok j'arrête (ah oui, et il faut rajouter les synth aussi...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basstyra Posted January 7, 2006 at 06:40 AM Share Posted January 7, 2006 at 06:40 AM Le cas des synthés est compliqué, parce que faut pas trop pourrir le signal avant, sinon ca tracke plus... Je viens de récuperer un PQ-3B (EQ paramétrique de Boss), et j'ai déja un EQ graphique... Y'en a foprcément un qui va aller avant, et un apres la disto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Preacherz Posted January 7, 2006 at 03:47 PM Author Share Posted January 7, 2006 at 03:47 PM Compresseur après une disto? Oui, et alors, c'est parfait un compresseur après une disto...Si tu lis ce qu'il dit, il explique bien pourquoi....Et je suis tout à fait d'accord avec lui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basstyra Posted January 7, 2006 at 04:09 PM Share Posted January 7, 2006 at 04:09 PM Le comp avant a l'avantage de fournir un gain de la disto plus régulier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basstyra Posted January 7, 2006 at 05:37 PM Share Posted January 7, 2006 at 05:37 PM Bon, l'EQ paramétrique va apres la disto. C'est meme pas discutable. Avec 3 bandes paramétriques on transforme une disto en ce qu'on veut... Je fais sonner ma Potentia comme une MT-2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkcrk Posted January 7, 2006 at 05:39 PM Share Posted January 7, 2006 at 05:39 PM Mes exemples n'étaient pas des trucs idiots, mais de véritables bonnes idées . Je n'étais pas ironique du tout. Je suis persuadé que chacun doit trouver l'ordre de ses pédales en fonction des sons que l'on cherche. Il y a des "trucs classiques" pour aider un débutant, mais le reste est une question d'oreille... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basstyra Posted January 7, 2006 at 05:42 PM Share Posted January 7, 2006 at 05:42 PM Je suis 100% d'accord avec toi. Les regles sont la que pour aiguiller les débutants, tres vite il FAUT tester tout ce qui passe par la tete, et se faire son idée. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boazz Posted January 8, 2006 at 08:14 PM Share Posted January 8, 2006 at 08:14 PM Level pedals that control the volume go next in many cases Je suis assez étonné, dans mon pedalboard de guitare, si je met la fuzz avant la pédale de volume, c'est simple, je n'ai pas de fuzz Pour ce qui est de la whawha, c'est avant le delay et après le varitone qu'elle a le meilleur son car avant ce n'est pas terrible... après de longs essais, cela nous donne : EHX Double Muff > Volume/Phaser > Boss TU2 (placé là pour une question d'optimisation de l'espace) > Snarling Dogs Verytone > RMC1 Wha > Ibanez PDM1 (sorte de vieux mini multi-effet Flange/Delay/Phaser) C'est vraiment le seul ordre avec lequel, je n'ai pas de bruits parasites ni de perte de clarté ou de volume. Je pense que je vais ajouter une reverb dans l'histoire, celle de mon ampli soufflant pas mal... Pour la basse, c'est : Sansamp BBDI > Boss ME-5 > Boss TR2 Keeley... j'ai laissé tomber la whawha, avec la pédale seule c'est extra, avec les autres ça merde carrément, particulièrement avec la BBDI... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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